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Shaun A.'s avatar

I was just explaining to a (male) friend the other day that "as bad as it is that YOU are taught not to view women as people, it is WORSE that we are taught the same. Women are taught from birth to Not Have A Self." And this plays out in almost every aspect of heterosexual relationships:

Nobody ever asks men/boys "what if your girlfriend doesn't like that haircut" or "what does your WIFE think about your shoes?" Nobody spends the entirety of boys' formative years telling them that Their Interests are boring or silly or childish or that they should focus on things girls like. And it shows, because there are just so many adult men with toy collections.

Girls are taught to "compromise" for relationships, which means "give up literally everything you think, like, or feel in order to make sure Some Guy is comfortable." Boys are taught that "compromise" is only a thing you ask other people to do. Girls and women are expected to "like" or "learn about" sports and hunting and cars and whatever else Their Man likes. Men are never expected to learn the difference between acrylics and overlays or watch the ballet or get involved in community organizing/the PTA.

Another friend shared an article written by a "liberal/Democrat" woman, in America, who purposely went on dates with men from "Conservative" dating websites. Not only could these guys often not really articulate THEIR OWN beliefs beyond "well this is just biology" or "I want [list of traits]," but NOT ONE of them, on multiple dates, asked her what SHE thought. About Anything. And at the end of the article, she was recounting her "breakup" with one of the guys. She told him, directly "this isn't going to work out because our views and values are fundamentally incompatible." And his response was that he "thought this was going well" and "assumed she agreed" with him. After MONTHS OF NOT ASKING. That's not just "conservative" men. Men don't ASK women what we want or think or like, they ASSIGN us interests or emotions, or they project their interests onto us and expect that we love their football team as much as they do. Because it simply doesn't ever occur to them that we are separate human people.

And WE are taught to just be OK with that. With "not having a self" and "not rocking the boat" and shoving our interests into the smallest space and time possible so we don't "interrupt" whatever the Schedule Of Events is for HIS interests. I've seen guys get apoplectic in public places because their girlfriends scheduled things DURING THE SUPERBOWL. Not that she asked him to go to them, but that she wasn't going to be present to host his friends watching a thing she couldn't care less about or be his mommy DD or whatever it was he thought she "should" be doing during Football Day. When women leave abusive relationships, and they say things like "I don't even know what I like" or "I don't even remember what my favorite color is," it breaks my heart. But it's not just the Big-A Abusive relationships where we're expected to be like that.

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Francesca's avatar

Thanks Zawn. Since understanding that my husband sees me as an appliance, much of my marriage has made so much more sense. You want to own a toaster in case you want to have toast but until you want toast, you really don’t think about your toaster at all. And when you do want toast, you want that toaster to just toast it without complaint and go back in the cupboard. It’s helped me understand why my husband can travel for work for days at a time and not contact me at all to ask about me and the kids. Instead he texts only on rare occasions when he has a story about himself that he wants to share. So, he texts when he suddenly feels like some toast.

But I’m not a toaster. And that’s why I’ll be leaving.

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